Tuesday, May 17, 2011

Episode #6 Recorded 5/14/2011

We had another great recording session, and this time it was just me and my good friend Delia Shargel.  Below you can find a show breakdown with the exact times listed of when we begin certain discussions, so that you can go directly to whatever part of the show you are most interested in.  Below you can also find most of the charts that we discuss, and links to any outside resources that we refer to.

In the first segment we start with a discussion of the recent death of Osama bin Laden, and the correlations to the collective transits.  Then Delia explores the fascinating case of Siri Hustvedt, "The Shaking Woman," and her recent interview with NPR's Terri Gross.  Then I look at the case of filmmaker Paul Haggis and his recent disillusionment with the Church of Scientology.

We only did two segments this time, and in the "honoring the gods" segment we focused on the Saturn-Pluto archetype, and a very rich conversation ensues.  We do a general overview of a number of themes associated with the archetype, then Delia, who is born with the combination, shares a bit of her own experience with it.  We then close with an exploration of how Saturn-Pluto has something to do with the potential for facing and integrating the shadow.  We discuss how it is an archetype found in the charts of a number of people who have focused on "shadow work," like Carl Jung, Alice Miller, Anne Shulgin, and others.  Lastly I bring in a personal example of someone whose work I experienced directly in college, Danish photographer and racism-awareness facilitator Jacob Holdt, whose slide show "American Pictures" opened me to the power of racism in the United States.  


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Show Breakdown-

First Segment-

00:00- Introductions and overview of the plan for the Podcast.

03:45- We start off with a discussion of correlations to the recent death of Osama bin Laden.  Also some brief mention of other recent news stories.  

32:27- Delia explores the fascinating case of Siri Hustvedt, "The Shaking Woman," and her recent interview with NPR's Terri Gross.

59:20- I look at the case of filmmaker Paul Haggis and his recent disillusionment with the Church of Scientology.

Second Segment-

1:22:34- In this "honoring the gods" segment, we focus on the Saturn-Pluto archetype (tight square in the sky at the time of this recording), and look at a few examples of the combination.  I start off with a general overview of some of the key manifestations of the archetype.

1:39:45- Delia shares some of her own personal experience with her own natal Saturn opposite Pluto, focusing on her diagnosis with Scoliosis and having to wear an imprisoning back brace starting at age 14.

2:03:40- Delia brings in the example of Al Gore and how he talks about working with Shadow realities, and then we look at a number of examples of other people born with Saturn-Pluto hard aspects who offer guidance into the challenge of facing the Shadow:  Carl Jung, Liz Greene, Ann Shulgin, and Alice Miller. Delia also offers some of her experience working with her therapy clients to integrate shadow material.


2:25:10- I bring in a personal example of someone whose work I experienced directly in college, Danish photographer and racism-awareness facilitator Jacob Holdt, whose slide show "American Pictures" opened me to the power of racism in the United States.

2:47:11- Finis



Delia Shargel, MFT, has been studying archetypal astrology with Richard Tarnas since 1995. She received her M.A. in Integral Counseling Psychology from the California Institute of Integral Studies and has been in private practice as a licensed psychotherapist in San Francisco since 2001. She specializes in depth work with individuals and couples, and can be reached at deliashargelmft@sbcglobal.net or (415) 978-9220.





Exact birth time from B.C.
Exact birth time from B.C.

First Segment Charts and Resources:

Birth Data from Wikipedia:  no birth time, so chart is cast for noon.



Birth Data from Wikipedia:  no birth time, so chart is cast for noon.



Second Segment Charts and Resources:

Charts of people with Saturn-Pluto aspects:
Birth Data from Astrodatabank: A data
Birth Data from Astrodatabank: A data

Birth Data from Astrodatabank: AA data

Birth Data from Astrodatabank: A data

Exact birth data from personal communication.

Birth Data from Astrodatabank: AA data


Data from Astrodatabank: A data from memory.

Birth Data from Wikipedia:  no birth time, so chart is cast for noon.

Birth Data from Wikipedia:  no birth time, so chart is cast for noon.

Birth Data is from Holdt's website.





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