Monday, March 28, 2011

Episode #4 Recorded 3/27/11

We had the same crew again this week, with Delia Shargel, Chad Harris, Jessica Garfield-Kabarra, and Rick Tarnas all joining me for another spirited round of archetypal dialogue.  We recorded three segments again, and this episode lasts about two hours and 40 minutes all together.  Below you can find a show breakdown with the exact times listed of where we begin certain discussions, so that you can go directly to whatever part of the show you are most interested in.  Below you can also find most of the charts that we discuss, the YouTube videos we looked at, and links to any outside resources that we refer to.

In the first segment we start off with a discussion of the current world transit situation, focusing on the unfolding tragic situation in Japan, and then also addressing the recent events in Libya.  From here we move to an honoring of Elizabeth Taylor with a discussion of both her chart and the chart of Richard Burton (we also look at the synastry between their charts).  We finish off the first segment with a brief discussion of the struggling broadway play Spiderman: Turn off the Dark, and a look at Julie Taymor's chart and transits (Taymor was recently fired from her role as director).

In the second segment Jessica brings in a topic for group discussion, and we have a rich exploration of the psychological phenomenon of projection.  We discuss the question of how one works to distinguish between genuine intuition and projection, and we explore how astrology can aid in this process.  We explore the idea of "archetypal possession states" and look at how the discipline of an "I-Thou" relationship with the cosmos, and a careful mindful engagement with oneself and others, can help one avoid this potential.  We discuss how an astrological practice that focuses on integrating and honoring all of the planetary archetypes is a natural correction for the potential for archetypal possession states.

In our last "honoring the gods" segment, we focus on the Venus-Neptune archetype (tight conjunction in the sky at the time of this recording), and look at three brief examples of artists with the combination.  Delia and Jessica start us off with a look at singer Jeff Buckley (born with the conjunction) and we listen to an interview with Buckley as well as a brief example of one of his songs.  Next, Rick brings in an example of opera singer Luciano Pavarotti (also born with a Venus-Neptune conjunction) singing his signature piece "Nessun Dorma" from Puccini's (who is also born with Venus-Neptune in hard aspect) opera Turandot. Lastly, I bring in an example from the Icelandic group Sigur Ros, whose lead singer, Jonsi Birgisson, is born with a tight Venus-Neptune opposition.

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Show Breakdown-

First Segment-

00:00- Introductions and overview of the plan for the Podcast.

02:45- Discussion of the recent tragic events in Japan.

36:35- Discussion of the unfolding situation in Libya.

44:10- Rick briefly brings in an exploration of a recent New York Times piece on the phenomenon of "sexting," and how this relates to our current Saturn-Uranus-Pluto T-square  (link to NYT article below).

46:25- We discuss the Elizabeth Taylor's chart, and also briefly look at Richard Burton's chart as well as the synastry between their two charts (charts and video of Burton being interviewed by Dick Cavett below).

1:05:00-  We discuss the ongoing drama that is unfolding with the Broadway musical Spiderman: Turn off the Dark, and we look at the natal chart and transits of recently fired director Julie Taymor  (Taymor's natal chart and transit bi-wheels below).

Second Segment-

1:17:20-  Jessica introduces the topic of the phenomenon of projection for discussion.  We explore the challenge of distinguishing between genuine intuition and the potential for confused projection.  Delia brings in her experience as a psychotherapist with this issue, and then we discuss what we can do as a correction for "archetypal possession states."  Rick suggests that we must cultivate an "I-Thou" relationship with the cosmos, and listen mindfully to "the other" in order to avoid these potential possession states.

Third Segment-

Honoring the Venus-Neptune archetype.

2:06:15-  Jessica and Delia discuss the singer Jeff Buckley (born with Venus conjunct Neptune), and we listen to both an interview with Buckley as well as part of his amazing song "Hallelujah" (chart and video clips below).

2:19:00- Rick brings in the case of opera singer Pavarotti who is also born with Venus conjunct Neptune.  We listen to him singing his signature aria "Nessun Dorma" from Puccini's (who is also born with Venus-Neptune in hard aspect) opera Turandot (chart and video clip below).

2:26:24- I bring in the example of a piece of music from the Icelandic group Sigur Ros.  Lead singer Jonsi Birgisson is born with an exact Venus-Neptune opposition (chart and video below).

2:38:26-  Finis

Delia Shargel, MFT, has been studying archetypal astrology with Richard Tarnas since 1995. She received her M.A. in Integral Counseling Psychology from the California Institute of Integral Studies and has been in private practice as a licensed psychotherapist in San Francisco since 2001. She specializes in depth work with individuals and couples, and can be reached at or (415) 978-9220.

Exact birth time from B.C.

Jessica Garfield-Kabbara has been studying astrology since 2007. She is a practicing archetypal astrologer, doing joint readings with her partner Chad Harris in San Francisco. She is also a faculty member of the Institute of Archetypal Cosmology. Contact information is

Exact Birth Time.  Time from B.C.

Chad Harris has been studying astrology for the last 14 years. He is on the faculty and is technical director at the Institute of Archetypal Cosmology.  For the past 7 years he has been a teaching assistant for Richard Tarnas at the California Institute of Integral Studies.  He does joint readings with his partner Jessica Garfield-Kabbara in San Francisco.  Contact information is 

Exact birth time from B.C.

Richard Tarnas is the founding director of the Philosophy, Cosmology, and Consciousness program at the California Institute of Integral Studies. A graduate of Harvard University and Saybrook Institute, he was formerly director of programs and education at Esalen Institute.

He is author of The Passion of the Western Mind and Cosmos and Psyche: Intimations of a New World View, which received the Book of the Year Prize from the Scientific and Medical Network in Great Britain. For more information on his work, please visit  and

Exact birth time from B.C.

Exact birth time from B.C.

First Segment Charts and Resources:

Exact birth time from Astrodatabank:  A data.

This could be close to an exact birth time for Burton, but their are conflicting reports on the birth time.

Taylor-Burton synastry Bi-Wheel.

For the rest of the interview, just go to YouTube and type in "Dick Cavett Richard Burton."

Exact birth time from Astrodatabank: AA data.  

Here is a link to the NYT article about Julie Taymor being fired from her show. 

Julie Taymor's transits for her being fired from Spiderman: Turn off the Dark.

Julie Taymor's transits for the peak of her career:  the year she was creating The Lion King musical.  

Second Segment:  No charts or resources.

Third Segment Charts and Resources.

Conflicting sources of data for the time.  Astrodatabank rates this C data.

Above is the video we listened to during the podcast.  The section we listened to begins about 2 mins 20 seconds in.

Birth Time from Astrodatabank: AA data. 

Birth Time from Astrodatabank: AA data.

Birth Data from Wikipedia: no birth time, so chart is cast for noon.

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