Monday, March 7, 2011

Episode #3 Recorded 3/6/11

The third recording of Correlations was really fun.  I was again joined by Delia Shargel, Chad Harris, and Jessica Garfield-Kabarra. And this week we were also really happy to be joined by our friend (and teacher) Richard Tarnas who we have all been studying with for many years.  The challenge with this podcast seems to be that we have an overflowing abundance of things we want to talk about and share, and this recording went a bit longer than we planned.  There are three segments with a total length of about two hours and 55 minutes, and below I have a detailed breakdown of all of the topics we covered, with the time that each topic starts, so that you can go directly to whatever you are most interested in listening to.

In the first segment Rick starts us off with an overview of the world transit situation, and we discuss the current Jupiter-Uranus energy, the long Uranus-Pluto square, as well as the bigger picture of the Saturn-Uranus-Pluto T-square of 2008-2011.  Then Delia brings in the example of blues singer Nina Simone, and we discuss her Moon-Pluto opposition, as well as her Venus-Saturn conjunction.  The Nina Simone song that we listen to, "I Want a Little Sugar in My Bowl," also inspires a brief discussion on sexuality, and the differences between Moon-Pluto, Sun-Pluto, Venus-Pluto, and Mars-Pluto sexualities.  Chad then brings in the case of actor/filmmaker Tyler Perry, and we discuss his Madea character as an expression of his Moon-Jupiter conjunction.  We also discuss the abuse Perry suffered at his father's hands as relates to Perry's natal Sun-Mars-Pluto alignment.

In the second segment we  have a rich group dialogue on the question of electional astrology, and the use of astrology to time the beginning of a venture.  Using the example of trying to time a wedding with astrology, I pose the question of what is the most powerful predictive astrological agent for the wedding:  is it the natal charts of both individuals; is it the synastry between the two charts; is it their transits; or is the actual wedding chart itself powerful enough to outweigh these other factors?  A very interesting discussion ensues from here.

In the third segment, "Honoring the Gods,"  we focus on the Moon-Jupiter archetype, and I begin by bringing in the example of Andy Griffith, who is born with the conjunction.  Jessica then brings in the example of Oprah Winfrey who is born with a Moon-Jupiter opposition.  Delia brings in Karen Carpenter who also has a Moon-Jupiter opposition, and we use Carpenter as an opportunity to explore some of the shadow side of the energy.  And then Rick brings us home with the example of Julie Andrews, who has the Moon-Jupiter conjunction, and he describes all of the many ways that The Sound of Music embodies the energy of Moon-Jupiter archetype.

My apologies to Delia, as the record level is softer for her than the rest of us.  It will be necessary to raise the volume when you are listening to her.

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Show Breakdown-

First Segment-

00:00- Introductions, overview, and I acknowledge that I was wrong about my Oscar prediction on the last podcast.

05:55- Rick gives an overview of the current world transits, and how he sees the collective archetypes coming through on the world stage.

33:00- Delia brings in the example of Nina Simone, and we discuss her natal Moon-Pluto and Venus-Saturn aspects.  This also leads into a discussion of sexuality, and the differences between Moon-Pluto, Venus-Pluto, Sun-Pluto, and Mars-Pluto forms of sexuality.  Simone's chart and a link to a YouTube video of her song "I want a Little Sugar in My Bowl" are below.

57:35- Chad brings in the example of writer/filmmaker Tyler Perry.  We watch a video clip (chart and video are below) of Perry playing his Madea character, and we discuss how it relates to Perry's Moon-Jupiter-Mercury alignment.  We also discuss the abuse he suffered with his father, and how it relates to his Sun-Mars-Pluto alignment.

Second Segment-

1:21:35- We have a group discussion of what is called Electional Astrology, or using astrology to time the beginning of a venture.  I share how I came to the question with my experience of trying to time the launch of this podcast, and then we explore the example of using astrology to time a wedding.  We discuss the complex causal dynamics of the astrological archetypes.  A very rich conversation unfolds from here.

Third Segment- "Honoring the Gods"

2:13:00- I give a brief overview of the Moon-Jupiter archetype, others add their thoughts, and then I bring in the example of Andy Griffith with his Moon-Jupiter conjunction.  We all then watch a video from the Andy Griffith Show (chart and video are below).

2:28:30- Jessica brings in the example of Oprah Winfrey and her Moon-Jupiter opposition (chart below).

2:35:35- Delia brings in the example of Karen Carpenter, who also has a Moon-Jupiter opposition, and we listen to her song "Close to You."  We explore more of the shadow side of the archetype as manifested in Carpenter's life.

2:44:30- Rick wraps up the podcast with a discussion of Julie Andrews, and how her Moon-Jupiter conjunction (chart below) manifests in The Sound of Music.

Delia Shargel, MFT, has been studying archetypal astrology with Richard Tarnas since 1995. She received her M.A. in Integral Counseling Psychology from the California Institute of Integral Studies and has been in private practice as a licensed psychotherapist in San Francisco since 2001. She specializes in depth work with individuals and couples, and can be reached at or (415) 978-9220.

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Jessica Garfield-Kabbara has been studying astrology since 2007. She is a practicing archetypal astrologer, doing joint readings with her partner Chad Harris in San Francisco. She is also a faculty member of the Institute of Archetypal Cosmology. Contact information is

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Chad Harris has been studying astrology for the last 14 years. He is on the faculty and is technical director at the Institute of Archetypal Cosmology.  For the past 7 years he has been a teaching assistant for Richard Tarnas at the California Institute of Integral Studies.  He does joint readings with his partner Jessica Garfield-Kabbara in San Francisco.  Contact information is 

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Richard Tarnas is the founding director of the Philosophy, Cosmology, and Consciousness program at the California Institute of Integral Studies. A graduate of Harvard University and Saybrook Institute, he was formerly director of programs and education at Esalen Institute.

He is author of The Passion of the Western Mind and Cosmos and Psyche: Intimations of a New World View, which received the Book of the Year Prize from the Scientific and Medical Network in Great Britain. For more information on his work, please visit  and

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Exact birth time from B.C.

Segment One:

For a more detailed exploration of the world transit situation, here is a link to Tarnas' essay "World Transits 2000-2020: An Overview."

Time from Astrodatabank.  AA data

Birth data from Wikipedia.  No birth time, so chart is cast for noon.

Here is a link to the YouTube video we watch of Perry in his Madea character.

And here is a 60 Minutes piece on Tyler Perry.

Segment Two:  No relevant charts or links.

Segment Three:

Data from Astrodatabank. AA data.

Birth Time from Astrodatabank.  A data.  There is some conflict about the birth time.  This time gives a broader Moon-Jupiter opposition, but there are other times that have been given for Oprah that give a tighter alignment.  

Birth Time from Astrodatabank.  AA data.

Birth data from Astrodatabank.  B data.

The Moon-Jupiter Correlations Podcast Crew

1 comment:

  1. Loved the show!!!! Totally informative and epic.....You guys rock!